Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

If it's mechanical, electrical or just downright confusing, this is the place to find and share answers.
User avatar
JETEXAS
Registered Member
Posts: 363
Joined: 06 Aug 2017, 07:26
Location: Houston
Contact:

Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

#1

Post by JETEXAS » 08 Mar 2018, 16:41

I'm looking at air conditioning options for my 67 Standard, which did originally have AC but is currently missing many of the parts.

There seems to be two options:
Vintage Air Surefit 951171 for Mercury Cougar http://www.jegs.com/i/Vintage-Air/960/951171/10002/-1
Classic Auto Air Perfect Fit System for Mercury Cougar https://www.classicautoair.com/shop/196 ... ng-system/

Price is basically the same. They both get rid of the vacuum controls and use a Sanden compressor.

Is there any benefit to one versus the other?

I noticed the Vintage Air site says something about a replacement molded glovebox with reduced capacity and possibly interfering with the stock radio and speakers. Is this actually an issue or just a disclaimer they put on all their kits?

Thanks for any help on this.
Image

Cougar Bill
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
Posts: 534
Joined: 19 Jan 2011, 08:39
Location: Golden, Colorado

Re: Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

#2

Post by Cougar Bill » 08 Mar 2018, 16:50

The wifes 67 XR-7 has factory air. I upgraded to the 134 kit & had to buy a few OE parts ( bracket & idler pulley). Used all the original insides & flushed the box (evaporator) out w/ a special spray. I bought kit for about $800 plus any parts. They have a good selection to get your system together.

https://originalair.com/FitmentCatalog/ ... tegoryid=0

Don't got w/ a "one size fits all" you will regret it!
1970 XR-7 428 Ramair 4 speed (now under restoration)
1970 Eliminator Boss 302
1969 XR-7 428 R-code 4 speed
1969 Std. 428 R-code C-6
1969 XR-7 Convertible 351 AOD
1969 XR-7 Convertible 428 C6
1969 XR-7 351 5 speed "RestoMod" New 525Hp "pacemaker"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBkOzr7N13Y
1968 XR-7 X-code
1968 XR-7 302-4v 4 Speed (J-code)
1967 XR-7 302 & AOD Green- Wife's Cat
www.cougarbill.com

User avatar
Local Hero
Registered Member
Posts: 1075
Joined: 04 Oct 2011, 14:20
Location: Chesterland, Ohio

Re: Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

#3

Post by Local Hero » 08 Mar 2018, 19:08

I'm a big proponent of Vintage Air. They basically invented aftermarket AC for the Street Rod and Classic vehicle world. In other words, they were the first to do it and have been improving and expanding their product line constantly ever since.

With that said, and due to my loyalty to VA, I'll confess to not having any experience with Classic Auto Air. It has been my belief that their "specialty" is improving the factory systems that Classic vehicles came with. But I could be wrong if your link is showing that they are offering complete aftermarket kits now.

Back to VA. 15 years ago I installed a VA Generation II Super Cooler system in the Hero that came with factory air. At the time they offered the Sure -Fit kit for a Mustang, which I suppose would have easily work on a Cougar, but then it was still completely vacuum operated for air direction control. I wanted the electronic servo control which was only available on the Generation II universal kits at that time. They've since upgraded their line to Generation IV although I haven't researched what differs between Generation II and IV.

It is designed to work exclusively with 134a refrigerant.

Any Car Crafter knows like Bill refers to above, that a Universal Kit universally doesn't fit anything. You have to make it work for your application. I have never done any type of AC work prior to this. But I found the system easy to install, the instructions were very clear and detailed and the tech support was first class. I have no doubt that applies to all of their systems even today.

Since my car is full custom to begin with, I liked the universal kit's flexibility that allowed me to alter the installation to fit my needs and appearance under hood. I was also able to hide some unsightly items such as the dryer element. Of course, this required me to have to cut all my hoses to length, add the proper connections, and then have them professionally crimped as I don't own the proper tool. I installed it in phases as I was building my car. So it took a little longer. If you're looking for something that you might install yourself in a weekend, then the Sure-Fit kit would be a better way to go.

I actually think I could have kept the original glovebox tray with this system had I not wanted to hide the air-ride suspension controls and one of the stereo amps in that location already. So I have no glove box storage whatsoever.

I wrote a tech story following the install of my system. Some of the links in it for other alternative products may no longer be valid. But the installation of my system might give you an idea of how I went about it. Here is a link to it:

http://www.thecurb.us/Tech/Havingacoolcat.pdf

By the way, you don't have to go through Jegs or Summit to purchase their stuff. I ordered directly from VA.
Mark
Buckeye Boys Rod & Custom - East
Anyone can restore a classic... it takes a real man to cut one up.

User avatar
JETEXAS
Registered Member
Posts: 363
Joined: 06 Aug 2017, 07:26
Location: Houston
Contact:

Re: Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

#4

Post by JETEXAS » 09 Mar 2018, 08:29

Thanks for the tip on Original Air. At this point I know I would have to replace the vacuum tank as well as two of the actuators, the AC switch, the temp cable, the hoses and the condensor and dryer. The evaporator is an unknown as I haven't had a good way to test it yet. I think it's going to have to be all or nothing because if I start running it with some new and some 51-year-old parts, it's just going to be frustrating as the old parts continue to fail.

Leaning towards the Vintage Air Gen IV Surefit for the Cougar, but I've got a couple more weeks to ponder it before I put in the order.
Image

decarguy
Registered Member
Posts: 57
Joined: 28 Jul 2015, 13:22

Re: Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

#5

Post by decarguy » 31 Jul 2018, 15:34

JETEXAS,
Did you ever make a decision? Did you get a full system or just part? If you removed the heater box, were you able to do that without removing the whole dash (Vintage Air's instructions imply that you can remove the heater box only removing the glove box and center console)?

I'm considering a complete system by taking apart the dash would be a pain!
decarguy
1968 Cougar, Base 302 2V, Red

Image

pellets4fuel
Registered Member
Posts: 227
Joined: 26 Feb 2015, 10:47
Location: WI

Re: Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

#6

Post by pellets4fuel » 31 Jul 2018, 20:01

Curious on this as well. I was hoping to use mostly stock components other than it would be nice to be able to use the 134 instead of the r-12
You don't have to remove the whole dash to get the heater/ac box out. Glove box and console a must. There is also a dash panel reinforcement rod that runs from cowl to bottom of dash. Also can't see doing it with out at least the passengers seat out if not both seats. When I put mine up in there I hadn't put the seats in yet and it is nice to be able to stretch out :)
David Siedschlag
#16306 1967 Lime Frost S-code, Ivy gold interior
4-speed, A/C, sports console, AM-8track.
1980 Toyota truck, woodgas powered
22re 4x4

CATHOUSE
Registered Member
Posts: 758
Joined: 20 Aug 2013, 08:24

Re: Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

#7

Post by CATHOUSE » 31 Jul 2018, 20:06

Just an FYI decarguy, the metal dash frame in a 67-68 Cougar is welded in place so removing it is not really an option. You can remove the heater box by pulling the glovebox and the console, if your car has one. If no console then remove the radio. If you are going to replace the hose going to the left side heater controls/AC vent you will need to remove the instrument cluster.

Randy Goodling
CCOA #95

ClawIt
Registered Member
Posts: 412
Joined: 14 Nov 2012, 21:33

Re: Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

#8

Post by ClawIt » 01 Aug 2018, 05:52

JETEXAS wrote:
08 Mar 2018, 16:41
which did originally have AC but is currently missing many of the parts.
What parts are missing? It could be more cost effective to get those parts instead of doing a refit.

decarguy
Registered Member
Posts: 57
Joined: 28 Jul 2015, 13:22

Re: Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

#9

Post by decarguy » 01 Aug 2018, 11:03

Thanks guys. Don did a video where he took a '69 dash apart to get to the heater box. Guess the '68 heater box is easier to get to. That's a relief...although I am under no illusion that getting the heater box out will be easy.

Still not sure whether to restore original box or go with an a Vintage Air box with modern controls. My evaporator coil does not seem to hold a vacuum so it may have to be replaced or repaired if I keep my original box.
decarguy
1968 Cougar, Base 302 2V, Red

Image

User avatar
JETEXAS
Registered Member
Posts: 363
Joined: 06 Aug 2017, 07:26
Location: Houston
Contact:

Re: Vintage Air versus Classic Auto Air

#10

Post by JETEXAS » 01 Aug 2018, 16:55

I still haven't pulled the trigger on a system yet. I switched to a serpentine belt system from CVF racing and added the Sanden compressor as a placeholder, but then once the engine was running well I had to tackle some transmission issues. Then I dropped the car off to to get a new headliner installed, and the upholstery guy was super backed up, so I haven't seen it in six weeks. I'll either order the rest of the Vintage Air system through CVF or order a Classic system through Classic Mustang of Houston. Probably just go with whichever is cheaper. I just have to let the budget recover a bit.
Image

Post Reply