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Re: went to the track

Post by SuperCJcat » 07 Sep 2016, 18:51

Very cool. What was your 60' time? If your not making any more power above 4500, read a plug to check carb jetting. I ran into that problem with carb jets being off, car stopped accelerating at 1000' foot mark. Some carb jetting and timing dropped a half second off ET. The track isn't as easy as it seems when your trying sort out your old school car. Good luck, with your set up, you should get into 14s easily.
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Post by Caleb » 07 Sep 2016, 21:28

60' is pretty consistent 2.2. There's definately some tuning to do still. My hats off to anyone who tunes their own stuff. Most mechanics now are parts changers not skilled diagnostic technicians or tuners. It's definately different than uploading a tune to your pcm. It's something i'm working on getting better at.

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Post by SuperCJcat » 08 Sep 2016, 06:40

Very true about parts changers. Invest in some sticky DOT drag tires, and once you know your timing and jetting are good, your 60' times should drop and be into 14s easily
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Post by 9F91H581221 » 08 Sep 2016, 07:06

Caleb wrote:60' is pretty consistent 2.2. There's definately some tuning to do still. My hats off to anyone who tunes their own stuff. Most mechanics now are parts changers not skilled diagnostic technicians or tuners. It's definately different than uploading a tune to your pcm. It's something i'm working on getting better at.

With most people, I think their interest is in other places. It just takes putting in the time, whether it's making adjustments on the car or reading about theory and how to make the proper adjustments. Some are too lazy, some are too busy with other things in life. Or, it's simply not their forte. You seem to be intrinsically motivated to better the performance of your car. Curiosity, desire and the willingness to outwork it will get you the performance gains. When you look back, there will be a lot more to be proud of than plugging in a tune.
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Post by guitar74 » 08 Sep 2016, 10:02

Absolutely. I remember being on an even MORE limited budget than I am now and having to make what I had run better. It's amazing, but you can pick up quite a bit if you're willing to spend the time jetting, re-curving, etc. Besides that, the parts changers never seem to go any faster, they just keep throwing mismatched combos together and hoping for the best. I've also seen what havoc parts changers can do to a consumer's wallet by not diagnosing a problem.

I have seen relatively mild sounding cars that were actually put together as a well though out, and tuned package, walk all over much hotter sounding rides.

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Post by Caleb » 08 Sep 2016, 15:51

I'm certainly not an expert but I feel like I could build a fairly well thought out combo. I just haven't figured out how to do it to match a fairly well thought out budget haha. My wifes great about believing cars can be a familly affair, but she would still rather pay the mortgage than buy new heads.

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Post by TomKat » 08 Sep 2016, 17:12

Good thread, i'm enjoying the read. I know faster is supposed to be better but i'm a fan of consistency, thats why I like bracket racing. You can take mom's mini van and beat all the new vette's and caddy's if your consistent. And I like seeing the classics on the starting line

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Post by Caleb » 08 Sep 2016, 18:11

The only downside to bracket racing is you can get outclassed very quickly by fast cars running very conservative brackets. I absolutely agree on the importance of consistency but I also like trying to push for new personal bests and you won't win a bracket race that way

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Post by Caleb » 08 Sep 2016, 18:18

Also just checked my plugs and they're actually looking pretty clean.

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Post by 9F91H581221 » 08 Sep 2016, 19:57

Where is your total mechanical timing? At what rpm does it top out? Where is you initial timing? If you drive this on the street I hope you are running a vacuum advance. One of the best tuning tools is a dial back style timing light. If you don't have one, get one. You can probably find a good used one for 20 bucks. Another thing to find is the book Jacob's Guide to Optomizing Your Ignition. About 20+ years ago, there was an ignition similar to MSD called Jacobs. It was supposed to be decent stuff. Dr. Jacob wrote a pretty good book about ignitions. If you can sort out all the advertising for his ignitions from the technical info there is a lot to learn.
With the mechanical, I usually like to get around 35 degrees mechanical all in by about 2500-3000.
Initial I like to have as much as the engine will start with after a 10 minute hot soak on a hot day. Usually about 14-16 degrees.

Back in the day when my 70 Cougar looked like it did in my avatar, it had a 351c with 2v heads, Blackjack headers, Edelbrock Performer Plus Cam which was 204/214 @ .050 with a 112 lobe separation. The intake was a Performer with a Holley 750 vac. It had a C-6 with a 2.75 gear. It went a 15.1. The best time I got with the car was a 14.84, but that may have been after I put in the 3.50 gear set. I don't remember. After that, it had a 429 with aluminum CJ heads and though I never ran it at the track, I could hang with cars that were in the mid 11's. That was with a 20 mph roll. The Cougar had no traction for 1st gear. 2nd gear I had to progressively apply throttle, otherwise it'd spin.

Anyway, if you don't have it, get a dial back light and chart your current timing at 500 rpm intervals. Let us know the numbers.

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