How to spell (351) Cleveland with a " M"

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Why NO Love for the 400M ( cleveland with a "M")?

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Post by bob hess » 15 Sep 2017, 16:07

Hey Guys, Many thanks for all your input .
But unless I miss the point , I'm getting ( 75% ) thumbs down on building a 400 M . Or is my end game flawed ( if this is possible ) : I was hopping to get the low end torque of 400 cid. , compensating for the noted poor street ability of high flow heads ( using 351C or 400M 4 barrel heads ) by using a "hot" street cam , AND a super charger .

------ STILL Not worth the build ????? ------

I'm fine with a 351 W , but would like the added cubes ( Big block fan at heart , but tired of the overall poor handling . Having owned a GT500-KR . GREAT for the 1/4 mile ..... Not so much on a twisting country road .)
And stroking a 351W makes me feel it's just not a good idea to super change it as well .Super charging ANY thing stroked for that matter sounds like I'm asking for trouble . Let alone a 2 bolt main engine to boot .
Sooooooo Am I still missing something ? Like the C & M 351 parts are just too pricy , too hard to find 4 bolt main engines to make it worth the effort ?
etc. ???????

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Re: How to spell (351) Cleveland with a " M"

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Post by 1969XR7Vert » 15 Sep 2017, 17:23

Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis?
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Re: How to spell (351) Cleveland with a " M"

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Post by 1969XR7Vert » 15 Sep 2017, 17:25

CleveMand. There, I answered your question.
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Re: How to spell (351) Cleveland with a " M"

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Post by dieselon » 22 Nov 2017, 18:45

hay guys
Im new to this forum , but i can tell you this . I have had my 69 XR7 for about 35 years when I put my 351C in , I used the automatic that was in it , after beefing it up . Well , I blew it up finally . My motor is a cleveland 2 bolt main and there is nothing wrong with them . they handle plenty of power . I had it dyne tuned and spits 540 HP . I blueprinted most of it myself . As for the bottom end , the mains are smaller than the windsor block which is less friction . as far as parts go , you can use a stud girdle to stabilize the main , and if your good with making things you can even make your own like I did .I am in the process of putting a TR6 in to replace the automatic .while I'm at it I stripped every nut and bolt out of it , and stripped all paint to bare metal I'm ready to spray with primer surfacer. Thats where I am with my project now . All the sheetmetal is original with no rust .Doing the tranny swap is going to take me a little time .but its worth it for hi way driving .

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Re: How to spell (351) Cleveland with a " M"

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Post by Royce » 22 Nov 2017, 20:58

Agree, the 351C is not a boat anchor like the 351M / 400.
dieselon wrote:
22 Nov 2017, 18:45
hay guys
Im new to this forum , but i can tell you this . I have had my 69 XR7 for about 35 years when I put my 351C in , I used the automatic that was in it , after beefing it up . Well , I blew it up finally . My motor is a cleveland 2 bolt main and there is nothing wrong with them . they handle plenty of power . I had it dyne tuned and spits 540 HP . I blueprinted most of it myself . As for the bottom end , the mains are smaller than the windsor block which is less friction . as far as parts go , you can use a stud girdle to stabilize the main , and if your good with making things you can even make your own like I did .I am in the process of putting a TR6 in to replace the automatic .while I'm at it I stripped every nut and bolt out of it , and stripped all paint to bare metal I'm ready to spray with primer surfacer. Thats where I am with my project now . All the sheetmetal is original with no rust .Doing the tranny swap is going to take me a little time .but its worth it for hi way driving .
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Re: How to spell (351) Cleveland with a " M"

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Post by 1969XR7Vert » 24 Nov 2017, 19:01

Royce wrote:
22 Nov 2017, 20:58
Agree, the 351C is not a boat anchor like the 351M / 400.
dieselon wrote:
22 Nov 2017, 18:45
hay guys
Im new to this forum , but i can tell you this . I have had my 69 XR7 for about 35 years when I put my 351C in , I used the automatic that was in it , after beefing it up . Well , I blew it up finally . My motor is a cleveland 2 bolt main and there is nothing wrong with them . they handle plenty of power . I had it dyne tuned and spits 540 HP . I blueprinted most of it myself . As for the bottom end , the mains are smaller than the windsor block which is less friction . as far as parts go , you can use a stud girdle to stabilize the main , and if your good with making things you can even make your own like I did .I am in the process of putting a TR6 in to replace the automatic .while I'm at it I stripped every nut and bolt out of it , and stripped all paint to bare metal I'm ready to spray with primer surfacer. Thats where I am with my project now . All the sheetmetal is original with no rust .Doing the tranny swap is going to take me a little time .but its worth it for hi way driving .
Allow me to eduMacate you:

http://www.the351cforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=446

http://www.the351cforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=471

Read up, watch and let's revisit the "boat anchor" opinion.
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Re: How to spell (351) Cleveland with a " M"

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Post by katnip302 » 10 Dec 2017, 16:34

That's good reading material Bob
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Re: How to spell (351) Cleveland with a " M"

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Post by 427XR7 » 10 Jan 2018, 17:37

I have a stock "M" code 351C in a 70 Torino Convertible and hate it. It does not get moving until it hits 4500 RPM. My brother built a 351W with aluminum Edelbrock heads and manifold and it is the most magnificent street engine I've ever witnessed. It pulls hard out of the hole and sings all the way to 7000 RPM. I'm one more vote for the Windsor swap.

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Re: How to spell (351) Cleveland with a " M"

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Post by 1969XR7Vert » 10 Jan 2018, 17:56

427XR7 wrote:
10 Jan 2018, 17:37
I have a stock "M" code 351C in a 70 Torino Convertible and hate it. It does not get moving until it hits 4500 RPM. My brother built a 351W with aluminum Edelbrock heads and manifold and it is the most magnificent street engine I've ever witnessed. It pulls hard out of the hole and sings all the way to 7000 RPM. I'm one more vote for the Windsor swap.
Which is exactly why I only build 351C's with 2V style heads for the street. Love, love, LOVE my 408C with CNC ported Trick Flow heads having 195cc intake runners. They pull my "sled" (Isabel's over 4000 lbs. with me in it) into the 12's in the quarter mile.

So there's that, and nothing sounds like a Cleveland when it's wrapped up tight. I admit it, I'm addicted to that sound. Ask the gas pumpers at the Wawa which is just past the light which ever so conveniently turns red nearly every morning when I am on my way to work. Leaving that light on a two lane (each way) highway (Route 70) with a concrete barrier in the middle is to me the perfect "studio". Oh!, that sound!!!

But, to each their own!
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