The Snowball Saga - '68 Standard Revitalization Project

From dusty barn find to daily driver, it seems our cars are never really done. This is the place to share your progress on your project car. We will celebrate your victories and commiserate over your tragedies. But most of all this is a great place to learn!
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Re: The Snowball Saga - '68 Standard Revitalization Project

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Post by 1969XR7Vert » 04 Mar 2017, 18:17

Andrew, update please!!!
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Re: The Snowball Saga - '68 Standard Revitalization Project

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Post by guitar74 » 21 Mar 2017, 09:58

Yeah, Andrew. I just spent 30 minutes reading this saga and am stoked to see more progress.

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Post by Blitz » 21 Mar 2017, 12:58

Hey guys! I do have updates... was kinda waiting on having more pics to share but I can definitely do a partial update.

To pick up the story where I left off, in the process of fitting panels / quarter extensions, the shop discovered that the existing paint on the body would pretty much flake right off with a razor blade if they scraped it. This basically called into question everything that was done before, and there went any confidence that the existing paint job would be a serviceable base to paint over. So the reality was, we'd have to take it down to bare metal and start over. Ugggh. I gave them the go ahead to begin stripping the back of the car to see what we were dealing with.

Once the quarters and trunk lid were exposed, they didn't look too bad in terms of the metal, but it became apparent just how thick the car was with previous paint jobs and filler.

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I'm no expert but to me this looks like at least: factory red primer / factory paint, second prime & paint, third prime & paint, and finally fourth prime & paint I had done in 2012 / 2014 - with various amounts of bondo in between. There will be more pics forthcoming of what else was discovered after this, but I don't have them yet.

So. Given how much work was left to do to get the car all the way stripped, straightened out, and repainted, and given the $ rate of the shop, and given how meticulous and time-consuming their working style is, it was going to cost well over $10k the way things were going. So I made the decision to stop there, pull the car out of the shop, and made arrangements with a friend of a coworker to finish the car. The shop was very cool and understanding about it, so luckily there was no drama in getting the car back.

Car retrieved 1/24/17 . Crates in the truck are WCCC shipments that had to go to PDX, might as well kill two birds with one stone. Thanks to Richard ("Mistress" on here) for piloting the tuck and helping out.

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Scott B. (CougarCJ) scoping it out:

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Closeup of patched area on RH quarter. You can tell the fit / contour wasn't great. The reproduction patch panel was used here, and I remember the guy who patched it (2011) wasn't really a fan of that repro piece.

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Rear window patch panel. I'm not sure why the shop welded the seam on the top side, it's not supposed to be done this way. Will be corrected. At least the fit with the trunk lid is way better than before.

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So, after this, we took the car up to the new guy. A little about him: he's not an official shop or business, just a passionate hobbyist with a real paint booth at his house, who has been painting cars for himself and friends for years. He seems to have a good grasp of the right materials to use and the right way to prep a car for paint and all that good stuff, and I've seen some of his work. I'm pretty confident that he can deliver good bodywork and a nice paint job in a reasonable amount of time, without completely destroying my finances. All along, I've never been going for show car perfection, I just want it to be nice and consistent and shiny.

Here's the same night, when we dropped it off:

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And then here's 11 days later, almost completely stripped:

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There were issues with some of the wheel arches being crunched, and they had been re-sculpted with bondo. The truth comes out when you go down to the metal.

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You can also see above that there had been a crease down the RH side of the car, which had then been pulled back out. No idea when that was, but again, it was my grandparents' daily driver long before I was alive.

In this shot, you can see a pretty sizable dent on the nose of the hood. I had no idea that was there, it was just filled over.

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So this is the most recent time I saw the car, but plan on going back in the next couple weeks. He took pictures through the stripping process and I'll share those highlights when I get them from him. There was an amazing amount of bondo everywhere, and he said the way the paint sanded off was really weird, unlike anything he'd seen before. Clearly something was very wrong with the 2012 / 2014 paint work, and most of the car was never stripped all the way down until now.

As of the last few weeks, he tells me he's got the metal work about done and is almost ready to prime / seal the car. Looking forward to seeing it, will take some pics.

And in case you're wondering, I am planning on saving the vinyl top, so that's staying in place and I'm hoping it can be re glued back down at the bottom after the new paint is done. It seems a shame to rip it off since it's a new, expensive premium top. I do have some doubts about the quality of the roof surface prep and paint adhesion after seeing what happened to the rest of the body, but I suppose the roof could always be redone separately down the road if it comes to that. I'm thinking it'll be okay for a while.

That's the update for now! ETA for getting the car back is June, but at the rate he's going it may be even earlier. Then I hope to work my butt off on it, get it togther and enjoy it this summer, maybe even bring it to the Cascade show in August if all goes well. Needless to say it feels ridiculous to start over on the body & paint at this point, and it's super frustrating, but at the same time I'm pretty excited that things are going in the right direction now and that I might actually be done with it this year. I can't even fathom the idea of it being finished and beautiful, and being able to drive around in it.
-Andrew Chenovick
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RIDES:
-1968 Mercury Cougar: original family owned, Polar White, 289-2V, auto, AC / "Snowball" view project thread
-1973 Opel Manta: 1.9L, 5-speed (restored)
-1991 Mazda Miata: fun driver
-1992 Volvo 240 wagon: classy hauling machine

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Re: The Snowball Saga - '68 Standard Revitalization Project

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Post by Local Hero » 22 Mar 2017, 08:47

:thumbup: Andrew. Looks like you made a good choice in direction.
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Re: The Snowball Saga - '68 Standard Revitalization Project

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Post by guitar74 » 22 Mar 2017, 09:14

Agreed. It's not even my car and I kind of bummed about your experience with the previous paint guy. Glad to hear it's actually moving forward with a more satisfactory result.

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Post by Blitz » 02 Feb 2018, 18:01

Wow, I haven't updated in a while. Almost a year! Not a whole heck of a lot to report, but progress has been made. The body guy working on it is just a hobbyist, and can only do a couple hours of work at a time, here and there. So definitely not a quick turnaround. But his attention to detail is good, and I'm optimistic that the results will be nice. Have been up there to visit it several times throughout the process. Neither of us anticipated how many issues there would be underneath the layers of old paint jobs and bondo. I don't envy all the work he's had to do. But I'm glad to report that we're nearly there. These pictures are from a couple weeks ago, the last time I went to check progress. This is the second to last coat of 2K primer, and he just needs to work a couple of the body lines that aren't quite right yet. Next time I go up there, we're going to go to the paint shop to buy the paint.

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Speaking of paint, he uses PPG stuff. He normally uses the cheaper Omni line on his stuff and seems to think it's perfectly good. Or I can step up to the Deltron line, which costs more than 2X as much but it supposed to hold up better over time and maybe flow better. Anyone have experience with these? Leaning towards using the Deltron, but I don't want to waste money for no reason.

Anyway, the big goal is to finally finish this project in 2018. Would love to finish in time for the car's 50th birthday in June, but we'll see how things go!
-Andrew Chenovick
Photo/Video guy for WEST COAST CLASSIC COUGAR, INC.
Side Gig: FLYING A PHOTOGRAPHY


RIDES:
-1968 Mercury Cougar: original family owned, Polar White, 289-2V, auto, AC / "Snowball" view project thread
-1973 Opel Manta: 1.9L, 5-speed (restored)
-1991 Mazda Miata: fun driver
-1992 Volvo 240 wagon: classy hauling machine

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Re: The Snowball Saga - '68 Standard Revitalization Project

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Post by Don Rush » 02 Feb 2018, 18:57

I am going to require it be done for the 2019 Calendar for sure!

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Post by Local Hero » 02 Feb 2018, 19:45

I don't have too much experience with PPG stuff other than their 2K filler primer that I used under the House of Kolor on the Hero.

What I can say is this: Paint is the very first thing that people will notice about ANY car. I was torn between the middle of the road products and stepping up to the highest end materials at the time. 15 years later after I painted the Hero, and it being my first paint job, I'm glad I stepped up to the high end stuff. It really made a rookie look like I knew what I was doing.

I did the same thing when painting my wife's convertible. It was only the second car I've painted. People at shows and cruise nights look at me like I have three heads when I tell them I painted it myself. Then their first question is "Where is your shop? and wanting to get on my schedule.

Imagine the results you'll get with a PROFESSIONAL squirting good materials on your snowball. Besides, look how long you've waited to get to this step. How long before you think before you're at this point again the next time? Or is it only me who is already planning the next rebuild before finishing the current one?
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Re: The Snowball Saga - '68 Standard Revitalization Project

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Post by ccarney69 » 03 Feb 2018, 08:10

Stick with the Deltron, you will be glad you did. It is a better quality paint with much richer color and it lasts the test of time. Be sure and use the DX 57 actuator in it and if you’re going to use a sealer use the white DP 48LF reduced as the sealer. I was partial to the 2055 clear but they have discontinued that and now I’m using the 2021. Auto body shops get about a 50% discount on their paints, you should try to buy it through someone local that you know.
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Re: The Snowball Saga - '68 Standard Revitalization Project

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Post by ClawIt » 03 Feb 2018, 16:01

I used Deltron Wimbledon white on my 67 GTA 13 years ago and it still looks great, pops in the sun. Compared to other paints I've used Deltron went on very uniformly and covered some oopses I didn't see until spraying.

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