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The GT-E was only available for a few brief months in 1968. Total production would not have kept the assembly line busy for more than a half day. If you know anything about a GT-E, it is important, and this is the place to share it. The GT-E registry is maintained by Jim Pinkerton.
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Post by xr7g428 » 18 Feb 2015, 11:58

Probably the issue is when the XR-7S turned into the XR-7G.
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Post by 1967 S Code » 18 Feb 2015, 21:34

Great reading. I've see copies of the letters that Bill posted but I have not heard of or read the article Cougar Correction.
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Post by bstyles » 12 Mar 2015, 15:43

Just found this thread, and glad that some of the ancillary things we've learned during our Shelby American research is beneficial to other groups. Research is my favorite part of the hobby!

There was an early post in this thread, that questioned how you'd get Speed Control on the XR7S if the XR7-S had dual quads.

This is where it becomes important to timeline what we find.

First, keep in mind that the photo shoots of the upcoming year's models would take place about 6 months ahead of the car's announcement. At least that was the case with Shelby.

For example, the '68 models would be announced to the public approximately Oct. 1967 (we see this from the '68 Shelby press release "media blackout until October 3, 1967")
http://www.1967shelbyconvertible.com/do ... Models.asp

Note: in the 7/7/67 press release, you'll see that a 427 was a planned option for Shelby GT cars.
http://www.1967shelbyconvertible.com/do ... -Sheet.asp

TO accomplish the need for photographs prior to the cars being built, '67 model year cars would be modified (disguised) to look like next year's model, and the photos would be taken. That would allow enough to print photos, airbrush any changes onto the color negatives, and get them to the print shop to get the materials printed in time.

I would suggest that the decision to switch from 2x 600 cfm 4bbls cars to a single 715 cfm carb on the 428-equipped cars was made very early in calendar year 1967. A single 4bbl carb was one of the changes championed by Fred Goodell who was sent from Ford to Shelby American just as 1967 Shelby model year production was getting underway in October 1966.

For Shelby: six months prior to the '68 models being introduced, two '67 Shelby G.T. 500 cars (one convertible #0139, and one fastback) we modified to look like '68s using A.O. Smith supplied fiberglass (circa April-May 1967). As part of this mock-up process, I'd speculate that this would have been the time that these two cars had their dual quads reduced to the single 4bbl, which is what the 1968 models would get at production time.

For certain, from a dated photograph, we know both G.T. 500 cars had single 4bbl carbs before July 7, 1967 which is when they appeared at the Ford Long Lead Technical Conference (LLTC) at Riverside Int'l Raceway.

Here's a link to that picture of the GT 500 convertible's engine bay -- the only photo of the engine we've ever found:
http://stylescollection.zenfolio.com/p4 ... #h18f93b9e

The handwritten notes that we found from Shelby American are dated August 2, a month after the LLTC appearances and many months after the '68 disguises were fitted to the cars.

Hope this helps,
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Post by OldWood » 12 Mar 2015, 17:04

Edited because just stupid, now I have had time to read all.
Thank you all for the great info and history. Please don't stop! Great read.
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Post by cobrasc427 » 12 Mar 2015, 17:24

Very interesting that the engine specs for the SINGLE 4 barrel carb lists the HP at 425

Ford always listed 425 for the 2 X 4 and 410 for the single 4.

And of course the GT-E was rated at 390

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Post by propayne » 15 Mar 2015, 08:00

Thanks soooo much for sharing your research with us Brian!! :beerchug:

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Post by bstyles » 06 Apr 2015, 08:56

By the way,

If anyone here is buddy-buddy with Kevin Marti, you may want to see if he could search his database to see if a Cougar XR7 was ordered by and sold to Shelby American, sometime between 8/66 and 7/67.

Either one Cougar was sold to Shelby American or one was donated by Ford. If it was ordered by Shelby, that would make it even more special.

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Post by propayne » 06 Mar 2016, 10:08

Here are a couple of pictures (posted over at the SAAC forum) from the 1967 Detroit Auto Show of the XR7-S show car.

Note the wheels, the exhaust and a picture of the roll bar.

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Post by Royce » 06 Mar 2016, 12:36

Ford of Canada announced that the 428-8V was going to be an available option for '67 full sized Fords. Too bad it never happened, just like the 427 Mustangs and Shelbys that were never built at the factory.

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1968 GT-E XR-7 W code 427 Augusta Green / Saddle
1968 XR-7 R code 428CJ Ram Air Red / Black
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Post by Royce » 06 Mar 2016, 12:49

Interesting engine compartment photo, showing what appears to be a GT_E 427 or 289 Hi Po air cleaner. Compare that photo to the engine photo of the 427 Shelby prototype at the same event:
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bstyles wrote:Just found this thread, and glad that some of the ancillary things we've learned during our Shelby American research is beneficial to other groups. Research is my favorite part of the hobby!

There was an early post in this thread, that questioned how you'd get Speed Control on the XR7S if the XR7-S had dual quads.

This is where it becomes important to timeline what we find.

First, keep in mind that the photo shoots of the upcoming year's models would take place about 6 months ahead of the car's announcement. At least that was the case with Shelby.

For example, the '68 models would be announced to the public approximately Oct. 1967 (we see this from the '68 Shelby press release "media blackout until October 3, 1967")
http://www.1967shelbyconvertible.com/do ... Models.asp

Note: in the 7/7/67 press release, you'll see that a 427 was a planned option for Shelby GT cars.
http://www.1967shelbyconvertible.com/do ... -Sheet.asp

TO accomplish the need for photographs prior to the cars being built, '67 model year cars would be modified (disguised) to look like next year's model, and the photos would be taken. That would allow enough to print photos, airbrush any changes onto the color negatives, and get them to the print shop to get the materials printed in time.

I would suggest that the decision to switch from 2x 600 cfm 4bbls cars to a single 715 cfm carb on the 428-equipped cars was made very early in calendar year 1967. A single 4bbl carb was one of the changes championed by Fred Goodell who was sent from Ford to Shelby American just as 1967 Shelby model year production was getting underway in October 1966.

For Shelby: six months prior to the '68 models being introduced, two '67 Shelby G.T. 500 cars (one convertible #0139, and one fastback) we modified to look like '68s using A.O. Smith supplied fiberglass (circa April-May 1967). As part of this mock-up process, I'd speculate that this would have been the time that these two cars had their dual quads reduced to the single 4bbl, which is what the 1968 models would get at production time.

For certain, from a dated photograph, we know both G.T. 500 cars had single 4bbl carbs before July 7, 1967 which is when they appeared at the Ford Long Lead Technical Conference (LLTC) at Riverside Int'l Raceway.

Here's a link to that picture of the GT 500 convertible's engine bay -- the only photo of the engine we've ever found:
http://stylescollection.zenfolio.com/p4 ... #h18f93b9e

The handwritten notes that we found from Shelby American are dated August 2, a month after the LLTC appearances and many months after the '68 disguises were fitted to the cars.

Hope this helps,
-Brian
1968 GT-E XR-7 W code 427 Augusta Green / Saddle
1968 XR-7 R code 428CJ Ram Air Red / Black
1910 Model T Ford Touring Red / Black
1914 Model T Touring Maroon / Black
1915 Model T Ford Touring Black / Black
1917 Model T Ford Torpedo Runabout Green / Black
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