Halogen headlight Conversion

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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Post by ssava » 15 Jan 2018, 11:53

BossElim69 wrote:
15 Jan 2018, 06:43
Scott Zeller wrote a nice article on installing the Rocketman relay kit. Visit the CATS web site here: http://www.catsccc.com/how-to
Fantastic.
Thank you!
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Post by xr7g428 » 15 Jan 2018, 12:47

I used the Rocketman kit that included the headlight door operation (HRKP-A - Headlight Relay Kit with electric motor control for 67-68 (dual motor)). I hid everything under the battery mount, and the black boxes mounted behind the grill are almost invisible. It is a great way to keep things well hidden to retain the original appearance. Of course the big give away on the headlight motors is that the doors now stay in perfect alignment. I did several articles covering electrical fixes in the first six issues of LCM. I also added the horn relay and that makes the horn about twice as loud...

Replacing the headlight switch may actually make things worse. If you are not tripping the breaker, as in Cyclone Lou's case it is because over time the connections have all become slightly corroded adding series resistance. A nice clean new switch will have less series resistance than the old one. Recall that a short circuit pulls the most current. Every time you add series resistance to a circuit you are reducing the amount of current that flows through it. If the total current is enough less than 15 amps you probably won't trip the circuit breaker.

Wattage is current times voltage. So two 35 watt low beam bulbs will pull about 5.8 amps of current (70 watts / 12 volts = 5.833 Amps) Add two 50 watt high beams that pull an additional 8.33 amps of current (100 watts / 12 volts = 8.33 Amps) For a total of 13.66 amps. This alone is enough to heat up the breaker over time and cause it to trip.
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Post by DieselD » 15 Jan 2018, 13:18

I have added relays to the headlight circuits to a couple different older vehicles. Really helps improve the performance on these older rides when eliminating all that voltage drop and giving the bulbs as close to 100% voltage as possible.

These plug and play kits make for a really nice setup and super easy but you can also do the same with some relays and a wiring diagram if you know what your looking at.
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Post by Cavallino » 15 Jan 2018, 21:08

xr7g428 wrote:
15 Jan 2018, 12:47
I used the Rocketman kit that included the headlight door operation (HRKP-A - Headlight Relay Kit with electric motor control for 67-68 (dual motor)). I hid everything under the battery mount, and the black boxes mounted behind the grill are almost invisible. It is a great way to keep things well hidden to retain the original appearance.
I'm sold. I already know the value of using a relays to power aftermarket lighting as have a set of PIAA light mounted on my off road ride that I'm sure would not even function without routing extra power through a relay.

The added benefit of having the headlight doors align is not one I had thought of and converting the doors to electric is a future project but Bob's dual relay kit HRKP-A just ordered.

But now comes down to the detail of the headlights themselves. Again. Too bad someone like Scott Drake is not making FoMoCo replica lenses but aside from what WCCC has listed any suggestions on which halogen headlights as well as what color bulbs to use ?

BTW.. Bob linked to this which is worth watching (thanks Bob) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ey1MA6 ... e=youtu.be --ssava - Might start watching about 5min in as sure sound like what you have going on.
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Post by fisherman74017 » 16 Jan 2018, 07:49

G Dub wrote:
14 Jan 2018, 14:45
Is there any original equipment looking LED substitute available?
Any input into going LED? Dont want to hijack the posting, just wondering if anyone has tried it? if so, brand?
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Post by xr7g428 » 16 Jan 2018, 10:31

WCCC has reproduction halogens with the FoMoCo logos if that is important to you. I haven't been able to get any consensus on LED headlights but they are the future in my opinion. They should be DOT legal if your state does inspections. I also think they need some time in the market to prove that they are reliable.
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Post by Mike_B_SVT » 16 Jan 2018, 15:57

Cavallino wrote:
15 Jan 2018, 21:08
BTW.. Bob linked to this which is worth watching (thanks Bob) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ey1MA6 ... e=youtu.be --ssava - Might start watching about 5min in as sure sound like what you have going on.
BossElim69 wrote:
15 Jan 2018, 06:43
Scott Zeller wrote a nice article on installing the Rocketman relay kit. Visit the CATS web site here: http://www.catsccc.com/how-to

Good video, and great instruction / how to doc! I've been wanting to do this upgrade as well since I do occassionally get caught out after dark.

Can anyone post pics of where they hid their relays?
Is there any benefit / drawback of going with the Full (2-relay) kit vs the Mini (1-relay) kit?
I imagine the little circuit breaker can be mounted using the same screw as the bottom corner of the Voltage Regulator, so you don't have to punch extra holes in things?


A few questions regarding just bulb upgrades on a stock system...
What if you only put Halogens in the low/high slots (i.e. outer bulbs only) and keep the old incandescents in the inner high-beam slots?
How would that affect your power draw through the headlight switch?
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Post by jcbingcougar » 16 Jan 2018, 17:55

Mike_B_SVT wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 15:57
Can anyone post pics of where they hid their relays?
Have you ever noticed mine? I used industrial strength double sided tape and mounted them to the underside of the gravel guard/splash shield.
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Post by Mike_B_SVT » 16 Jan 2018, 19:35

jcbingcougar wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 17:55
Mike_B_SVT wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 15:57
Can anyone post pics of where they hid their relays?
Have you ever noticed mine? I used industrial strength double sided tape and mounted them to the underside of the gravel guard/splash shield.
I was thinking that would probably be a good spot to put them :-)
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Post by Cavallino » 16 Jan 2018, 21:01

xr7g428 wrote:
16 Jan 2018, 10:31
WCCC has reproduction halogens with the FoMoCo logos if that is important to you. I haven't been able to get any consensus on LED headlights but they are the future in my opinion. They should be DOT legal if your state does inspections. I also think they need some time in the market to prove that they are reliable.
xr7g428 you are correct that LED will be the wave of future - or at least until the next plasma or quark or quantum based technology is developed. But looks like that an LED will fit in the same housing as halogens. If not i need to rethink and I hate when that happens.

Did miss the FoMoCo reproductions in WCCC's online catalog:

https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/s ... attribs=81

https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/s ... attribs=81

WCCC does not list these for 67 but do come up for 71. But wonder why not listed as for 1967 or not included as part of the conversion kit WCCC offers?

Don is normally quite good on offering the pros and cons of aftermarket parts like this so kind of hoping he weighs in on this....Don?

But if not. Has anyone else tried this FoMoCo halogen reproductions on a 67/68?
1967 XR7 GT

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