Halogen headlight Conversion

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Halogen headlight Conversion

Post by Cavallino » 12 Jan 2018, 20:30

I find the stock headlight pretty weak so interested in if anyone has done a Halogen headlight Conversion.

WCCC has this kit that looks to include everything needed https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/h ... attribs=75 but no reviews or anything recent here on the topic.

I do not want to stray too far away from stock as my 67 is "fairly" original aside from mods made to make the cat more usable in the modern world and this looks like one of those "mods".
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

Post by xr7g428 » 12 Jan 2018, 22:28

So long as you have a relay to power the lights the improvement is incredible. I would look at doing the electric headlight doors as well if you can afford it. The combo kit is fantastic.
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

Post by Mistress » 13 Jan 2018, 16:02

I did this conversion on my 71 using a little different bulb. They were still a 55w low and 60w high with the relay. Improvement was fantastic!! Install was easy and the relay works great as well. I have a voltage gauge instead of the amp and turning on the lights and going from low to high shows a bump in the meter but no dimming at a light or with turning in the heater motor. It is easy to hide and unless you look real close the H4 looks just like a sealed beam.

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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

Post by zman » 13 Jan 2018, 17:16

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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

Post by Cougar Bill » 13 Jan 2018, 18:45

Bill can't you run the H5006 & H5001 w/ out the relay? I was talking w/ Vic about this & he stated you can run the H5000 series bulbs w/out relays. They won't trip circuit breaker as they don't draw as much as other "kits". . Not saying relays are bad. Just wondering if the original system can handle low draw halogen bulbs for less than $10 each, why not? Anybody run a comparison? bright vs voltage?

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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

Post by xr7g428 » 13 Jan 2018, 20:36

From the article I wrote for LCM Volume 1 Issue 6:

The circuit that feeds the headlights includes a circuit breaker that is incorporated inside the headlight switch. The breaker is rated at just 15 amps. That means the maximum amount of power your headlights can consume before triggering the breaker is about 180 watts total. The lowest power consumption low beam halogen replacement pair (H5006) consume 70 watts. So far so good. Turn on the high beams and the trouble begins. The (H5001) high beams check in at another 100 watts. This puts us dangerously close to the 180 watt limit. The result, turn on the high beams, and chances are, your entire headlight array will shut down until the circuit breaker cools down and resets, or you drive into a parked car which ever comes first.

Halogen bulbs are very sensitive to operating at optimum voltage. A slight drop in voltage can produce a very large drop in output. The recommended voltage for halogen headlights is 12.8 volts, and the maximum is 14.6 volts. 12.8 volts is higher than the output of a fully charged battery. This means that your alternator and voltage regulator must be operating properly.

Our Cougars route the power for the headlights from the starter solenoid through the main harness to the inside of the car, and then through the headlight switch and then back through the firewall to the headlights. This long path results in a drop in voltage. Modern cars do not route power this way to avoid the voltage drop. Instead they use relays, sort of remote controlled switches to enable much more direct wiring paths.
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'68 XR7-G 428CJ C6, Tilt-Away, AM, Black Cherry
'68 XR7-G 390 4 speed, Sunroof, Cardinal Red
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

Post by zman » 14 Jan 2018, 11:07

xr7g428 wrote:
13 Jan 2018, 20:36
From the article I wrote for LCM Volume 1 Issue 6:

The circuit that feeds the headlights includes a circuit breaker that is incorporated inside the headlight switch. The breaker is rated at just 15 amps. That means the maximum amount of power your headlights can consume before triggering the breaker is about 180 watts total. The lowest power consumption low beam halogen replacement pair (H5006) consume 70 watts. So far so good. Turn on the high beams and the trouble begins. The (H5001) high beams check in at another 100 watts. This puts us dangerously close to the 180 watt limit. The result, turn on the high beams, and chances are, your entire headlight array will shut down until the circuit breaker cools down and resets, or you drive into a parked car which ever comes first.

Halogen bulbs are very sensitive to operating at optimum voltage. A slight drop in voltage can produce a very large drop in output. The recommended voltage for halogen headlights is 12.8 volts, and the maximum is 14.6 volts. 12.8 volts is higher than the output of a fully charged battery. This means that your alternator and voltage regulator must be operating properly.

Our Cougars route the power for the headlights from the starter solenoid through the main harness to the inside of the car, and then through the headlight switch and then back through the firewall to the headlights. This long path results in a drop in voltage. Modern cars do not route power this way to avoid the voltage drop. Instead they use relays, sort of remote controlled switches to enable much more direct wiring paths.
Did they all do it that way back then?
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

Post by xr7g428 » 14 Jan 2018, 11:22

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'68 XR7-G 428CJ C6, Tilt-Away, AM, Black Cherry
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'68 XR7 GT-E 427 C6 AM Cardinal Red
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Re: Halogen headlight Conversion

Post by cyclonelou » 14 Jan 2018, 12:53

I have Wagner halogen lights in our 3 '69 Mercurys-a Cougar and 2 Cyclones. I assume these are the H5000 series lights purchased and installed many years ago. I haven't had any problems and have plenty of light and even more when I hit the high beams.
No doubt if I wanted to run the night shift at LeMans I'd need more light plus a lot more.

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