Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale 2018 - Fantasy Bid

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Re: Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale 2018 - Fantasy Bid

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Post by catlover » 31 Dec 2017, 23:19

68MERC wrote:
31 Dec 2017, 01:48
..Is a 70' Boss 302 Eliminator with a wrong motor worth more than a 70' Cougar with a real Boss 302 Eliminator motor.

All I see is lots of fancy advertising and colors in this sale.
I would think that if someone had a Boss 302 engine in a non Eliminator car, they would try to locate the car/owner it came from and see if they would be interested. The engine would bring more value to the Eliminator than to a car it didn't belong in.
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Re: Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale 2018 - Fantasy Bid

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Post by 68MERC » 01 Jan 2018, 10:39

What I was trying to say without saying it the best was....

......at the end of the day

All PAPERWORK aside on either car

a 70' Boss 302 Eliminator with incorrect Boss 302 motor is equal value to the same cloned 70' Boss 302 Eliminator with a Boss 302 motor in it (in my eyes, since they both are just as "Fancy/Flashy" and I'll say it again, ALL PAPERWORK aside).

We could argue all day about it...neither is correct (overall) at the end of the day. No one would post values even close to what I've seen on here if the cloned car was up for auction. I personally simply can't get past....say a $30K-$90K swing on it for a couple sheets of paper when at the end of the day it's still not correct as it currently sits. That's why I can't price it. Not here to discriminate against this specific car or owner, it's just an example that is the reality for many cars. That's all I was trying to discuss. Not here to begin any kind of argument. But yes, I get it too....it all comes down to paperwork.
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Re: Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale 2018 - Fantasy Bid

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74,592.

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Re: Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale 2018 - Fantasy Bid

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Post by MrEos » 01 Jan 2018, 16:51

MrEos wrote:
27 Dec 2017, 16:37
My bid is $100,302.
Judging from other people's bids, I think I need adult supervision if I ever have real bidder's credentials....

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Post by 1969XR7Vert » 02 Jan 2018, 18:38

MrEos wrote:
01 Jan 2018, 16:51
MrEos wrote:
27 Dec 2017, 16:37
My bid is $100,302.
Judging from other people's bids, I think I need adult supervision if I ever have real bidder's credentials....
LOL Rob! I think I'm safe with my bid...
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Re: Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale 2018 - Fantasy Bid

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Post by 428cougarguy » 02 Jan 2018, 21:40

68 MERC, I disagree with you. What you are suggesting value wise makes no sense at all. Look at this comparison, and see if you agree. I have a 1970 428CJ powered Cougar XR7 convertible, one of 49 made with an automatic transmission. Certainly a rare production car. Unfortunately, the "born with" 428CJ engine is long gone. I do have a "real" 428CJ replacement engine however. Yes, I understand that since this engine is not the "original" one, my car takes a hit in value compared to an all original Cougar. However, to suggest that I could go out and get any 1970 Cougar convertible, drop in a 428CJ engine, and then the value of that car could be comparable to my real factory built 428CJ Cougar, just doesn't make sense. The value of a rare car like a Boss 302 Eliminator or 428CJ convertible is in the pedigree of the car itself. The more original it is, potentially the more valuable it is. If everything has been replaced, including all the body panels, floors, frame rails, etc, then yes you could argue that there is little if any originality left, so in that case the value is questionable, at least to some people.

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Re: Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale 2018 - Fantasy Bid

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Post by MercuryDon » 03 Jan 2018, 02:09

$110,000
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Re: Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale 2018 - Fantasy Bid

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Post by MrEos » 03 Jan 2018, 08:40

Just checked the docket, and another Cougar has been added. Looks like a fun driver. It also looks familiar... someone here selling this?

Lot 439.1 1969 M-code XR7 Convertible with Ram Air.

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Post by Don Rush » 03 Jan 2018, 12:58

Lot 439.1 1969 M-code XR7 Convertible with Ram Air.

I will go $29k assuming it looks just as good in person as the pics. All the right options, the right colors and some tasteful upgrades like RH mirror, sport special rocker mouldings and Magnum wheels.

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Re: Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale 2018 - Fantasy Bid

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Post by 68MERC » 04 Jan 2018, 13:19

428cougarguy wrote:
02 Jan 2018, 21:40
68 MERC, I disagree with you. What you are suggesting value wise makes no sense at all. Look at this comparison, and see if you agree. I have a 1970 428CJ powered Cougar XR7 convertible, one of 49 made with an automatic transmission. Certainly a rare production car. Unfortunately, the "born with" 428CJ engine is long gone. I do have a "real" 428CJ replacement engine however. Yes, I understand that since this engine is not the "original" one, my car takes a hit in value compared to an all original Cougar. However, to suggest that I could go out and get any 1970 Cougar convertible, drop in a 428CJ engine, and then the value of that car could be comparable to my real factory built 428CJ Cougar, just doesn't make sense. The value of a rare car like a Boss 302 Eliminator or 428CJ convertible is in the pedigree of the car itself. The more original it is, potentially the more valuable it is. If everything has been replaced, including all the body panels, floors, frame rails, etc, then yes you could argue that there is little if any originality left, so in that case the value is questionable, at least to some people.
Actually we both agree. Like I said, I get it too....it all comes down to paperwork (rarity). You hit the nail on the head by saying the value is questionable...if one thinks in terms of what I was getting at, that cars are nothing but a pile of steel, aluminum, glass, rubber, etc. It's a slippery slope I'm trying to discuss and it's hard to separate the topics when we love Cougars and normally only think in terms of production numbers, matching numbers, rarity, etc.
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