Disaster. No joke.

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Re: Disaster. No joke.

Post by Gyrhead » 03 Sep 2017, 10:53

xr7g428 wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 09:41
You need one of those signs that says "What happens in the garage stays in the garage" Maybe a bit too soon for humor, sorry if so. I know this scared you to death and rightfully so, but for some reason I am feeling nothing but relief that it turned out okay.

It does make me think that the way to do these EFI conversions is not fully developed. I could envision an original fuel line, that had rusted from the inside out, popping pretty easily. I know there are a few systems that use an under hood sump, but that also seems potentially problematic. Since the absolute amount of fuel required actually goes slightly down with EFI, it seems possible to step up the pressure internally in the throttle body assembly. It would not be that hard to create a sump with in the assembly just by enlarging the size a bit.
Holley is very explicit and forceful in their installation manuals and videos on the proper (and improper) fuel plumbing requirements and protocols - so this incident shouldn't be taken as an indictment of the EFI conversion. The system is beautifully designed, and for the brief moment before the fire - started instantly and ran great.

However fuel pressurized to 58 psi represents a massive step up in risks - so let this be a lesson to triple and quadruple check EVERYTHING before starting. If this experience prevents even one person from a similar accident - then that's worth these embarrassing admissions.

Guys, I do appreciate the thoughts and support - it is cathartic to talk it out.
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Re: Disaster. No joke.

Post by Cougar Bill » 03 Sep 2017, 11:53

Glad to hear your safe, but rattled. You had a very close one. We act sometimes forgetting our own safety.
Hope your recovery goes well!

To everyone reading this.
Check your fire extinguishers & upgrade when possible.
Please do all "running & fuel" work outside.
In the winter time empty your garden hose, draining any water out.
It can't work w/ ice plugging it. Frost free hookup are also must.
Place the hose, turned on, near by.
Have a box fan running to move fumes. Gas fumes settle down near ground & will "walk" once ignited.
This would not have helped in this situation.

The fuel we get here in Colorado has Ethanol added. It eats rubber.
Check & replace the chunks of rubber hose in your Cats.
One at the gas tank, one under the drivers floor, the fuel pump & at the carb.
New clamps advised! Basically they are one use only now days.

If this help 1 Cat then it helped. How about 2 of you?
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Re: Disaster. No joke.

Post by xr7g428 » 03 Sep 2017, 13:52

medium well done indeed! It's going to look great with the new paint on it!
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Post by 1967 S Code » 03 Sep 2017, 14:23

While we are on this topic a quality fire extinguishers is a must for all homes. In the home I always recommend a multi purpose ABC extinguisher, 5lb minimum. For shop use I recommend a 10lb. Co2 extinguisher at a minimum. My Fire Department offers fire extinguisher training as part of our Fire Prevention Program. Check with your local Fire Department and see if they do the same.The time to learn how to properly use a fire extinguisher is not when a fire event is happening. I've literally had people say "the extinguisher did work when they pulled the pin and threw it at the fire". Remember the acronym "PASS" point, aim, squeeze and sweep. Start 8-10 feet from the Fire and aim for the base of what is burning using a sweeping motion. Keep in mind a fire extinguisher is good only for the incipient phase (beginning stage) of fire. If you're in doubt get out. A life or burns are not worth a possession that is usually insured and can be replaced.

Back to extinguishers. A co2 extinguisher is rated for class B and C fires, energized electrical and flammable liquids. These are the two main items that we deal with in our cars. A CO2 extinguisher is also a clean agent compared to a dry chemical (powder) extinguisher. The Co2 kills two of the three things that Fire needs to live. It removes the heat and displaces oxygen. Another plus to using the Co2 is if you can extinguish your fire quickly you will have less clean up during repairs. Just my thoughts and experiences I figured I'd share them.

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Re: Disaster. No joke.

Post by Gyrhead » 03 Sep 2017, 15:15

1967 S Code wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 14:23
While we are on this topic a quality fire extinguishers is a must for all homes. In the home I always recommend a multi purpose ABC extinguisher, 5lb minimum. For shop use I recommend a 10lb. Co2 extinguisher at a minimum. My Fire Department offers fire extinguisher training as part of our Fire Prevention Program. Check with your local Fire Department and see if they do the same.The time to learn how to properly use a fire extinguisher is not when a fire event is happening. I've literally had people say "the extinguisher did work when they pulled the pin and threw it at the fire". Remember the acronym "PASS" point, aim, squeeze and sweep. Start 8-10 feet from the Fire and aim for the base of what is burning using a sweeping motion. Keep in mind a fire extinguisher is good only for the incipient phase (beginning stage) of fire. If you're in doubt get out. A life or burns are not worth a possession that is usually insured and can be replaced.

Back to extinguishers. A co2 extinguisher is rated for class B and C fires, energized electrical and flammable liquids. These are the two main items that we deal with in our cars. A CO2 extinguisher is also a clean agent compared to a dry chemical (powder) extinguisher. The Co2 kills two of the three things that Fire needs to live. It removes the heat and displaces oxygen. Another plus to using the Co2 is if you can extinguish your fire quickly you will have less clean up during repairs. Just my thoughts and experiences I figured I'd share them.

Steven
Already a blessing from this incident. I always had 2 extinguishers mounted in the shop, and one in each car - but never gave them much thought. This is very helpful advice from a professional, and I will live by it from now on. Guys, it CAN happen to you. Don't let it.
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Re: Disaster. No joke.

Post by JcodeG » 03 Sep 2017, 18:17

Sorry for your loss. Flames are my worst nightmare. Glad to hear no one was seriously hurt.

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Re: Disaster. No joke.

Post by 70b302cat » 03 Sep 2017, 19:26

Tom,

Grateful that no one was injured and damage was limited. Let me know if I can help in some way.
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Re: Disaster. No joke.

Post by Gyrhead » 04 Sep 2017, 06:36

70b302cat wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 19:26
Tom,

Grateful that no one was injured and damage was limited. Let me know if I can help in some way.
Thanks Dave, glad to have you as a neighbor & friend.
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Re: Disaster. No joke.

Post by Gyrhead » 04 Sep 2017, 06:37

R Code wrote:
03 Sep 2017, 09:41
Gyrhead wrote:
02 Sep 2017, 20:30
...Then, my son appeared with the garden hose...
Glad to hear you're all safe, and that your son was there to help you react to the emergency.

Let me know if you guys need anything. I could drop off my trailer if you need temporary storage options, etc.
Thanks Chris! All good and stable at the moment, but appreciate the generous offer. Maybe getting together for a beer would be therapeutic.....
1971 Cougar XR-7 Convertible 351C 4V, 4 speed (medium well done 😥)
2016 Mustang GT350 Chassis #2710
1988 Mustang 5.0 LX Coupe
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2017 VW Jetta GLI
2013 VW GTI (Unitronic Stage 1+ tune 260 HP / 295 ft/lbs - second fastest car in the fleet)

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