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Re: Pin stripes

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Post by BossElim69 » 22 Feb 2018, 10:34

Kind of misleading information on the CCOA site stating they "probably" used a Beulger percision pin striper.
http://www.cougarclub.org/pdf/1967_68%2 ... 0specs.pdf

Quote from Royce:

At the factory they laid a piece of tape across every panel gap, then laid a template on the length of the car. The stripes were applied using a brush over the template. Then the template was peeled off.

This results in the stripes having a brushed on appearance with obvious masking marks at the panel gaps, ends of the fender extensions, and door jams.


Using the stencil/template is going to get you the closest match to the factory.
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Re: Pin stripes

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Post by Blitz » 22 Feb 2018, 19:49

BossElim69 wrote:
22 Feb 2018, 10:34
Using the stencil/template is going to get you the closest match to the factory.
Which stencil tape did you use Brian? I remember looking at Finesse and not quite finding one in the [supposed] right size. I think I'm going to try to DIY mine when the time comes.

I also looked at the Beulger site and didn't see a double wheel head in quite the right size. Seems like a nifty tool though.
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Re: Pin stripes

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Post by pellets4fuel » 23 Feb 2018, 09:25

I found the same thing Andy when I looked at their site. I think the closest I found was 3/32" with a 3/16"gap and 3/32" . I think from the link you sent me as well as other places I read we should be looking at more like 5/64 stripes with a 9/64" gap.
Boss, those are great reference pics. How is the finished look? Looks like the photo is dated 2010
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Re: Pin stripes

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Post by Blitz » 23 Feb 2018, 11:59

pellets4fuel wrote:
23 Feb 2018, 09:25
I found the same thing Andy when I looked at their site. I think the closest I found was 3/32" with a 3/16"gap and 3/32".
That what it's supposed to be, actually. The closest I found on Finesse's site is 1/8" - 3/16" gap - 1/8" (their part number F12).
They also have 3/32" - 1/8" gap - 3/32" which would be close too. That's F17.
So basically you either have to have the stripes a little too thick, or the gap a little too narrow.
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Re: Pin stripes

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Post by badcatt » 23 Feb 2018, 15:31

Blitz wrote:
23 Feb 2018, 11:59
pellets4fuel wrote:
23 Feb 2018, 09:25
I found the same thing Andy when I looked at their site. I think the closest I found was 3/32" with a 3/16"gap and 3/32".
That what it's supposed to be, actually. The closest I found on Finesse's site is 1/8" - 3/16" gap - 1/8" (their part number F12).
They also have 3/32" - 1/8" gap - 3/32" which would be close too. That's F17.
So basically you either have to have the stripes a little too thick, or the gap a little too narrow.
Hay Andrew, maybe having Don call them up and make a small bulk order of the correct size would get them to make them up for us Cougar freaks. Just a thought...
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Re: Pin stripes

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Post by Blitz » 23 Feb 2018, 16:10

badcatt wrote:
23 Feb 2018, 15:31
Blitz wrote:
23 Feb 2018, 11:59
pellets4fuel wrote:
23 Feb 2018, 09:25
I found the same thing Andy when I looked at their site. I think the closest I found was 3/32" with a 3/16"gap and 3/32".
That what it's supposed to be, actually. The closest I found on Finesse's site is 1/8" - 3/16" gap - 1/8" (their part number F12).
They also have 3/32" - 1/8" gap - 3/32" which would be close too. That's F17.
So basically you either have to have the stripes a little too thick, or the gap a little too narrow.
Hay Andrew, maybe having Don call them up and make a small bulk order of the correct size would get them to make them up for us Cougar freaks. Just a thought...
Great minds think alike, we were just talking about doing that! Would be a cool thing to offer, maybe I'll even do a video on it when the times comes.
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Re: Pin stripes

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Post by pellets4fuel » 23 Feb 2018, 16:30

Yep your right on the 1/8in gap. F17 Don't know why I wrote 3/16 gap :)
I thought I read somewhere in the other thread on this that they were going to make up the right size for a couple of guys that called in?
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Re: Pin stripes

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Post by BossElim69 » 23 Feb 2018, 16:45

I did the 3/32 x 3/16 x 3/32 and yes they're a touch to wide. Going skinnier on the stripe would be an improvement.
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Re: Pin stripes

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Post by Blitz » 23 Feb 2018, 17:28

Now wait a minute. I just took some pics and measurements of an original-paint '68 we have here, and found that the stripes are 1/16" with a 5/32" gap in between. At the seams, the masking tape width was 5/8". Spacing from body line was about 7/16" on one side, and 9/16" on the other, so I'd say 1/2" is well within spec.

Here's a really washed-out picture that shows it clear as day. The hash marks on the right side of the ruler are 32nds.
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The good news is, Finesse does have this size listed as part # F42 (link)

Let me see if I can find another car (or cars) in the WCCC yard to confirm this. If these numbers hold up, I'll put together an infographic or series of pics since this question comes up a lot.

EDIT / UPDATE: I found a few cars with what appeared to be original paint and pinstripes. I think they were all 67's. While there were some inconsistencies from car to car, I feel pretty confident now saying that 1/16" stripes with a 5/32" gap are the way to go for a correct look on 1967 and 1968 Cougars.

Inconsistencies observed:
- Some of the stripes were a little thinner than 1/16", closer to 3/64". But it appeared that the paint was thinner on those ones. I'd stick with 1/16".
- One of the 67's had a gap of 3/16" between the stripes, all the way around. Also saw 11/64". But most were close enough to 5/32" that it seemed like the norm.
- The gap from the top stripe to the body line is all over the map. Based on what I saw, I'd still say 1/2" is a good rule of thumb.

Also, I saw evidence to suggest that they were in fact done with a roller (Buegler) type tool. Will post more pics soon.
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Re: Pin stripes

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Post by pellets4fuel » 24 Feb 2018, 09:18

Andy,
Thanks for that leg work. You sure got the car base to do the research :) Look forward to the other pics you put up showing evidence of using a roller. It would be a cool video to see (if there were one) of just how they did this, and how fast of pace they would have done it at in order to keep up with production. What's the guess? Maybe 10min a car, or less?
If you want to do a traveling road show video (like Ask this Old House) your welcome to come to WI and do my car!:)
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