Lucas fog lights ID help requested.

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Lucas fog lights ID help requested.

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Post by badcatt » 07 Nov 2019, 20:03

My 71 F250 had a set of Lucas fog lights on it when I bought it. I only have the truck is only for parts.

I'm sure they are not XR7-G, not likely California Special or Shelby units. But can anybody tell me anything about them?



Here you can see on the back side of the reflector unit it states "Made in Itialy"

And the top f the bezel had LUCAS 02 320012

And they are for sale. I just need to find out what they are worth. I will clean them up before I put them up for sale.
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Post by BossElim69 » 07 Nov 2019, 20:44

Neal. Correct they’re not XR7 G or Shelby. Judging from the mount and the rectangle lens. I would say they are aftermarket over the counter lights that were sold from the local auto parts store.
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Post by Al Bundy » 08 Nov 2019, 07:18

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Post by Royce » 08 Nov 2019, 09:06

Like Brian said, they are typical lamps that might have come from most any auto part store or auto parts mail order catalog in Europe 35 - 50 years ago. The parts may interchange to some degree with the XR7-G version functionally if not aesthetically.
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Post by Yorgle » 08 Nov 2019, 09:25

I've got a set that look just like those in one of my many parts bins. Mine have white plastic covers that snap on and off that say LUCAS in big black letters. As I recall, they are quite a bit larger than the square8 style on the xr7-g and won't fit into the valance cutouts.
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Post by sfhess » 08 Nov 2019, 10:51

The Square 8 lights that were used on the XR-7G and Shelbys were also available as aftermarket parts. They were advertised in Road & Track and in Car and Driver and available at shops like MG Mitten and Vilem B Haan.

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Post by propayne » 08 Nov 2019, 11:01

Yep, you'll see them on lots of British cars, Lucas being based in the UK.

As has been stated in other threads on the subject, assembly-line 1968/69 XR7-G and Shelby Lucas Square 8s have the small, black donut shaped grommet and not the larger, conical grey grommet where the wires come out of the body.

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Post by 67427GT500 » 08 Nov 2019, 23:16

Ford/Shelby changed to Marchal after all the electrical issues with Lucas lamps.
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Post by propayne » 09 Nov 2019, 07:05

^^^ That's the first I've ever heard that - if anything I'd say that Ford/Shelby/A.O. Smith used the Marchals very early in production and then switched to the Lucas lights.

The vast majority of '68 Cougar XR7-Gs and '68/'69/'70 Shelby's have Lucas units.

I've heard/read a couple of theories - that originally the '68 Shelbys were to get the Marchals and the Cougars the Lucas, but that it was discovered the Marchals were too bright and weren't legal in some states so Smith swopped a few Marchals and Lucas units between Cougars and Shelbys and then switched entirely to the Lucas units.

The other theory I've read, most recently in Greg Kolasa's book on 1968 Shelby Mustangs is that it was lack of proper government certification that led Shelby to switch from Marchals to Lucas.

In regards to the Gs, I don't believe that any documentation has surfaced calling out the Marchal lights as the designated light for the Cougar, but it looks like a few might have come with them originally.

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Post by Royce » 09 Nov 2019, 07:34

Actually you are mistaken. The states of California and Pennsylvania were both responsible for making the Marchal lamps illegal on Shelby GT500 / GT350 production as well as the Cougar XR7-G in their respective states in 1968. So vehicles shipped to those states received the Lucas lamps until all production could receive the Lucas lamps which have a Cougar part number.


67427GT500 wrote:
08 Nov 2019, 23:16
Ford/Shelby changed to Marchal after all the electrical issues with Lucas lamps.
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