GTE Project

The GT-E was only available for a few brief months in 1968. Total production would not have kept the assembly line busy for more than a half day. If you know anything about a GT-E, it is important, and this is the place to share it. The GT-E registry is maintained by Jim Pinkerton.
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Post by robert campbell » 04 Dec 2018, 17:42

68gurney wrote:
04 Dec 2018, 10:23
Here are some pics of that car before the fire. Really a shame what happened, it was a stunning restoration.

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The engine paint on the Black GTE looks like Ford "Light" Blue. What is the corrrect color? Ford Light blue or Ford Dark blue? Royce says Ford Corporate Dark Blue.

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Post by robert campbell » 04 Dec 2018, 17:44

Are the shock tower "stands" for the front shocks supposed to be Natural or a natural look?

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Post by fastfreddy » 04 Dec 2018, 18:19

Yes, dark blue and yes, natural steel. I like a shade darker than natural.

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Post by robert campbell » 04 Dec 2018, 23:45

Wow, that engine paint on the black GTE looks like light blue!! Let's let the debate begin!! Same thing with Mustangs in this era!! Just got a PCV Valve transfer tube and smog tubes to the heads... They are both in Ford light blue.....

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Post by Royce » 05 Dec 2018, 06:26

Bright sunlight and cameras can cause Ford Corporate Dark Blue to look nearly white. Ford did not paint engines light blue in this period of time.


robert campbell wrote:
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Wow, that engine paint on the black GTE looks like light blue!! Let's let the debate begin!! Same thing with Mustangs in this era!! Just got a PCV Valve transfer tube and smog tubes to the heads... They are both in Ford light blue.....

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Post by sportyworty » 05 Dec 2018, 11:13

Just the light in this particular photo set as Royce says. The engine was painted correct Ford Dark Blue also referenced as Corporate. Here is a pic of the actual engine as it was going together in 2013 and you can see much darker. The engine and parts that were to be painted Blue often have different shades of this Ford dark Blue though. The reason is some of the "tin" like air cleaners, S tubes, heat shields etc were already painted assemblies prior to being shipped to Dearborn Engine Plant for installation. The long block was painted with some of the emissions in place as well so there were several batches of Blue on each and every full dressed assembly. They are all based on this Ford Dark Blue and not to be confused with expected earlier years Blues. There are no 2 rattle cans alike and same goes for batch paints at different plants in the day. A lot of restoration people are purposely painting parts with different batches today and expected in some of the Division 1 Concours classes, Premier and Thoroughbred.
Here is a pic from when I was returning from getting the car in Wisconsin. Stopped just on the West side of Denver for a break before sliding down the hill to San Diego. This is original paint and it was a darn solid car overall. The owner applied top was a bit crazy along with the side molding with drilled holes every 3 inches the entire length. The interior was a 8/10 still and the 302 was stuck. The original transmission was in the bed for those noticing along with a crusty frozen 390 that had also lived in the car at some point. The car was stored in a pole barn with a sand floor (absorbs moisture) in Minnesota for decades which saved the underside floors, torque boxes and frame rails.
Agree with Gary time to say goodbye to the piece of toast. Can't say it didn't serve its purpose providing the saved numbers engine in original recently unflagged GTE chassis. Someone was blessed or got lucky people can decide for themselves maybe both ha
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Post by 427XR7 » 05 Dec 2018, 12:51



It does not appear to be as solid as you remember.

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Post by sportyworty » 05 Dec 2018, 15:14

How about some context Ray. Date of pic

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Post by xr7g428 » 05 Dec 2018, 17:36

I don't know if it is a tale or truth, but I have heard that steel will burn like wood if you get it hot enough.
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Post by robert campbell » 05 Dec 2018, 18:40

You can tell by the photos that Kerry (sportyworty) posted of the front clip that this car was not rusty when he received it and later sold it. It had some lower rust in the quarters but was solid other than that. This car was restored by an expert and it certainly would have had any rusted panels replaced. Certainly over the years some thinning may have occurred but again it was solid.

This is a fine example of what happens to metal in a hot fire. I am a sheet metal mechanic by trade. The coil springs on this car collapsed together and the seller had to insert 2 X 6 pieces between the upper control arms and the upper stops just to roll the car. The is no rubber in any suspension components. The carb meted and pieces of molten aluminum were on top of some of the pistons. The rubber engine mounts were gone. This car got very hot. All primer and any paint preservation was completely burned off. The “new” owner that bought it after the fire removed the engine and trans and then let it sit outside for two years in the elements. This is what happens to superheated metal and then the elements. The metal is extremely vulnerable to the elements and rust/corrosion is intensified and complete disintegration occurs very quickly.

When Kerry owned this car it was very solid in my opinion. The rust through is the result of the fire and then two years in the elements.

Of note the engine passed all inspections and the original pistons were reused. I should have it next week.

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